Has anyone had good success with 7's and circles? I've got three runs the past 2 nights that were odd, a couple bounces like hard lobster hits, then slowly tighten up and slowly pull line, then when I tighten the drag and reel down to set the circle I feel heavy pressure and it pulls back but all 3 pulled loose seconds after. Could be mondo lobsters I guess...?
Don't use circles often. I have caught sevens with them though. Not enough time with them to say I have lost fish because of them.
I've caught all my 7's (5) on circle hooks. 13/0 size.
Caught many bats too.
Binh uses them exclusively. I'm 50/50 on their use. They work. Just gotta train yourself to not set the hook.
The key is leaving enough hook exposed on cirles period.
I run them almost exclusive if they are available in the size.
For sharking I am trying to figure out a variation on a carp hair rig that can be cast with a heavy bait.
Jim
: Chris January 02, 2018, 11:54:09 p
Has anyone had good success with 7's and circles? I've got three runs the past 2 nights that were odd, a couple bounces like hard lobster hits, then slowly tighten up and slowly pull line, then when I tighten the drag and reel down to set the circle I feel heavy pressure and it pulls back but all 3 pulled loose seconds after. Could be mondo lobsters I guess...?
The circles should set themselves. Problem with mondo lobsters is they are just hard to hook period. Damn exoskeleton ;D
I've been using circles exclusively the past 5 years or so with success on many species and all the shrk species here. I've only caught one 7 from shore (making that two total) and both were on the same style 10/0 hooks. These bites just threw me off and feeling a decent amount of weight pull and then release 3 times is disheartening.
Seriously sounds like it could be lobster dragging it into their crevice or weeds...
Most of the time when 7s hit you'll get a small double bounce and then very slack line as they tend to come towards you after they pick up your bait, but 13/0 circles pulley rigged have done good on my 7s
I was going to ask you the same exact question when it comes to taxman. We had 5 pull like that on the initial 5-10 second run lately .Do you think a 13/0 4xstrong circle takes to much pressure for the barb into a strong hide? It seems like if the barb gets set it shouldn't get thrown, that why I'm thinking it's not getting set. When it pops out it is a sharp pop and by the feel of it I thought it was my line breaking, and surprised to see my rig intact when reeled in...
I have caught everyone of my sharks on circle hooks. For 7's I use 13/0 hooks that are about the size of 16/0 mustads used very successfully by the east coaster sharkers. I do open the gap about 1/8 - 1/4 in. On sharks with big teeth, if it doesn't set directly in the corner, it's probably getting caught between the teeth and popping loose without actually catching skin. On the east coast, when they are hunting big sharks with big teeth, the hook of choice are 20/0 which are big enough to get around the jaw bone as well if it doesn't catch the corner. I believe I am somewhere in the 90% bite to hook and land ratio with the hooks I use. Plus at 5.99 per 25 hooks, they don't hurt the wallet. Last year, most of my sharks were also on hooks with the barb pinched down. Once a circle truly sets, it's almost impossible for it to come unbuttoned unless it tears loose.
I agree with circles, it's very important how you hook the bait to allow clearance. I always use bait thread to lock my bait in the position I want so it can't rotate and get the point buried back in the bait. I have been meaning to get some picks of how I rig my bait. Maybe I'll get some up tonight.
: Fish Jerk January 02, 2018, 04:25:12 p
I have caught everyone of my sharks on circle hooks. For 7's I use 13/0 hooks that are about the size of 16/0 mustads used very successfully by the east coaster sharkers. I do open the gap about 1/8 - 1/4 in. On sharks with big teeth, if it doesn't set directly in the corner, it's probably getting caught between the teeth and popping loose without actually catching skin. On the east coast, when they are hunting big sharks with big teeth, the hook of choice are 20/0 which are big enough to get around the jaw bone as well if it doesn't catch the corner. I believe I am somewhere in the 90% bite to hook and land ratio with the hooks I use. Plus at 5.99 per 25 hooks, they don't hurt the wallet. Last year, most of my sharks were also on hooks with the barb pinched down. Once a circle truly sets, it's almost impossible for it to come unbuttoned unless it tears loose.
I agree with circles, it's very important how you hook the bait to allow clearance. I always use bait thread to lock my bait in the position I want so it can't rotate and get the point buried back in the bait. I have been meaning to get some picks of how I rig my bait. Maybe I'll get some up tonight.
Would love to see some pics and get a link to your source of hooks ;D
: LONGCAST JOE January 02, 2018, 04:08:54 p
Seriously sounds like it could be lobster dragging it into their crevice or weeds...
Most of the time when 7s hit you'll get a small double bounce and then very slack line as they tend to come towards you after they pick up your bait, but 13/0 circles pulley rigged have done good on my 7s
This ^^^
All my 7s came on 10/0 and 12/0 demon circles.
Never missed once.
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Owners or mustad
: spideyjg January 02, 2018, 12:21:38 p
The key is leaving enough hook exposed on cirles period.
I run them almost exclusive if they are available in the size.
For sharking I am trying to figure out a variation on a carp hair rig that can be cast with a heavy bait.
Jim
I haven't tried this yet, but have thought about it.
The "Handy-Man's Bridle Rig" - works with Mac heads only as body and tail would rip off on the cast.
Take a large Zip-tie and pass through the eye socket and loosely tighten it across the bony bridge between the sockets (similar to hooking through the eyes)
Now using a small thin zip-tie, zip your hook to the zip-tie that's thru the eyes of the mac head.
This in theory should keep the bait from inhibiting the hook gap, the barb should keep the small tight zip-tie from slipping off the hook and since the skull is pretty bony it should survive the cast.
My only thought on this, without having actually set one up this way, is that the bait may rotate around and lodge in the between the point and shank of the hook and totally block the gap as it washes around in the surf.
Good and very important point mentioned above.
Leave a lot of the hook exposed and not buried in the bait.
Not doing so is gona result in dropped baits.
Last trip out I used some cut carp which will never come off and the lobsters were going to town with those little tugs.
Still thinking hair rig ideas and I think heads are the only bet. Gotta get a long enough needle though.
Jim
: BackBayMan January 02, 2018, 04:42:34 p
: Fish Jerk January 02, 2018, 04:25:12 p
I have caught everyone of my sharks on circle hooks. For 7's I use 13/0 hooks that are about the size of 16/0 mustads used very successfully by the east coaster sharkers. I do open the gap about 1/8 - 1/4 in. On sharks with big teeth, if it doesn't set directly in the corner, it's probably getting caught between the teeth and popping loose without actually catching skin. On the east coast, when they are hunting big sharks with big teeth, the hook of choice are 20/0 which are big enough to get around the jaw bone as well if it doesn't catch the corner. I believe I am somewhere in the 90% bite to hook and land ratio with the hooks I use. Plus at 5.99 per 25 hooks, they don't hurt the wallet. Last year, most of my sharks were also on hooks with the barb pinched down. Once a circle truly sets, it's almost impossible for it to come unbuttoned unless it tears loose.
I agree with circles, it's very important how you hook the bait to allow clearance. I always use bait thread to lock my bait in the position I want so it can't rotate and get the point buried back in the bait. I have been meaning to get some picks of how I rig my bait. Maybe I'll get some up tonight.
Would love to see some pics and get a link to your source of hooks ;D
Ask and you shall receive........
I get my hooks from Academy.com, its a box retail/online chain back east, similar to what Sports Chalet was.
https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/eagle-claw-lazar-sharp-circle-sea-single-hooks-25-pack#repChildCatSku=025307125 (https://www.academy.com/shop/pdp/eagle-claw-lazar-sharp-circle-sea-single-hooks-25-pack#repChildCatSku=025307125)
Looks like they are currently out of the 13/0 size. The last time, they were in stock around Christmas, I picked up 3 boxes so should be set for a long while now. (I currently have over 100 of the 13/0)
Here are a couple of hooked bait images. These are the 2 most common ways I hook baits. I usually use macs small enough to just make 2 baits. If there is a middle piece, it is usually too small to bother with and becomes chum. Besides, I never have much luck with middle pieces staying on long and I hate wondering if I have bait still on the hook.
(https://s20.postimg.org/z4crckf3h/Mac_Head_with_Circle_hook.jpg)
In this image, you can see the bait thread wrapped on the hook and around the mouth of the Mac. The way I wrap is, attach thread to hook point side of bait, wrap around 1 side of the bait to the back of the hook, around the hook shank, around the other side of bait, around the hook shank again then repeat as many times as you feel is neccassary. I usually do 4-5 complete wraps. To finish and prevent unraveling, form a loop around a finger, then twist your finger to put 3 double twists and place the loop from your finger over the point and tighten, repeat 1x and cut the thread leaving 1/2 to 1 inch hanging free.
In this photo, you can also see how I pinched down the rather large barb that this hook has. With the barb in place, It was almost impossible to rotate the hook out, With the barb bent down, but with a noticeable bump left, it was still difficult to rotate out, but much easier than with the full barb. Unless you are tying your bait to the hook somehow, I would not recommend this as it will make it much easier for your bait to unhook while sloshing around under water.
I use Atlas Miracle thread.
http://www.cabelas.com/product/Atlas-Mikes-Miracle-Thread/1166261.uts?productVariantId=2804789&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03070709&rid=20&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4fyJgPW62AIVw2V-Ch3jnwlpEAQYASABEgI5ofD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds (http://www.cabelas.com/product/Atlas-Mikes-Miracle-Thread/1166261.uts?productVariantId=2804789&WT.tsrc=PPC&WT.mc_id=GoogleProductAds&WT.z_mc_id1=03070709&rid=20&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI4fyJgPW62AIVw2V-Ch3jnwlpEAQYASABEgI5ofD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds)
Tail Chunk
(https://s20.postimg.org/98t0tdkzh/Mac_Tail_with_Circle_hook_-_zip_tied.jpg)
I start by cutting the lobes fines off the tail, while leaving the base of the tail to act as an anchor. This reduces the tail from spinning and knotting up the leader when there is current. Using the hook as a guide, I see where I will need to hook the bait and still leave the tail up near the hook eye. I proceed to hook the bait and using a small zip-tie, I zip the tail to the hook eye and tighten with needle nose pliers. I did not clip the tag end in this photo for demonstration purposes, but dont forget to clip the tag end off.
2 notes on this method.
1) Don't worry about how big of a hole you make when hooking the bait, it just to keep the bait aligned. Zip tie is whats really holding the bait.
2) Don't worry overmuch about the gap size, as long as about 1/2 is still free. It only takes a few minutes for the bait to thaw enough to not be a problem.
I have posted this up for comparison before, but will do so again since the PB devil ate the photos.
13/0 Eagleclaw L2004UH vs a quarter. (BTW this is a hook that BlacktipH on youtube has recommended)
(https://s20.postimg.org/svrfiymnh/Eagleclaw_L2004_U-13.jpg)
Very cool write up. I don't use circles, but set the hook right away. I think I've only had 2 deep hooked sharks out of the 50 the past 4 years. I always seem to lose fish on the circles, but then again, don't give them much of a shot.
Awesome write up, thanks 8)
: Fish Jerk January 02, 2018, 04:25:12 p
Looks like they are currently out of the 13/0 size. The last time, they were in stock around Christmas, I picked up 3 boxes so should be set for a long while now. (I currently have over 100 of the 13/0)
Since you didn't lose a single rig in 2017 I guess your set for a while on those 😂
: LONGCAST JOE January 03, 2018, 09:36:08 p
: Fish Jerk January 02, 2018, 04:25:12 p
Looks like they are currently out of the 13/0 size. The last time, they were in stock around Christmas, I picked up 3 boxes so should be set for a long while now. (I currently have over 100 of the 13/0)
Since you didn't lose a single rig in 2017 I guess your set for a while on those 😂
Probably not. Those eagle claws rust quick and lose their tips.
: Chris January 03, 2018, 12:25:48 p
: LONGCAST JOE January 03, 2018, 09:36:08 p
: Fish Jerk January 02, 2018, 04:25:12 p
Looks like they are currently out of the 13/0 size. The last time, they were in stock around Christmas, I picked up 3 boxes so should be set for a long while now. (I currently have over 100 of the 13/0)
Since you didn't lose a single rig in 2017 I guess your set for a while on those 😂
Probably not. Those eagle claws rust quick and lose their tips.
I don't know which ones you've fished with, but I don't have any problems with rusting. Just like all your gear, everything should be rinsed in fresh water and allowed to dry.
I take whatever rigs I've used that trip and fill the bathroom sink with water. Place the whole rig in the water and swish around. Spin the swivels to dislodge sand and salt then hang to dry.
I have a couple rigs that have seen over 2 dozen trips with barely a sign of rust and the tips are still almost as sharp as out of the box. I have even left some in a ziplock bag for a day or 2 still damp. Had some slight spots of surface rust that rubbed off but other than that good to go.
I say lobster.. I haven't caught anything significant enough to REALLY recommend but I use circle hooks.. The biggest thing with circle hooks is to make sure they're "offset" circle hooks and not "perfect" circle hooks.. Big difference..
IMO, If the circle hook is sized appropriately to the intended target and bait and the gap is kept clear, non-offset circle hooks work just as well as offset ones and reduce the likelihood of catching somewhere else besides the corner of the mouth. I've used both on rays and had significantly more throat hooks with the offset ones. I'd rather be able to remove the hook on a shark or Ray than leave them with jewelry.