What pound test do you guys use surf fishing sharks & how many yards on a spool to be safe?
Heavy action rods?
Thanks
80lb braid on Diawa saltist 40 level wind. 300+yards.
Castin 10 ounces of stuff
Welcome to P-Soul Elay....
Well i think its a bit of a loaded question. Poke around the board and read the articles and threads. There's lots of good info on here. You probably want a rod that can throw 6-12oz or 6-10oz. As far as what lb test, i think it depends on your set-up. You want to have 300-400 yds of line minimum. I think the majority of guys targeting these beasts are using 65-80lb braid, some guys use a 40-50lb mono topshot and everyone uses a heavy shock leader of 80-100lb mono. Hope that helps.
300 yds of 40lb mono will get it done. Check out the killer post craftsman put up on rods on this board. I would go with a metal frame reel. I've toasted two graphite sealines with heavy drag pressure. 20-30 feet 80lb mono for a run leader. I put up s post on the rig I use. Good place to start, but not the only way.
Straight 30 lb mono, 300 yards on conventional non level wind reels.
: Eric H October 25, 2015, 06:22:09 p
Straight 30 lb mono, 300 yards on conventional non level wind reels.
Don't listen to Eric. He's PUI.
Fairly accurate lol^
Watched a video on long casting, the pendulum cast and those guys like to have a 10/1 ratio between weight and lb test.
I use 6 or 8 oz so I have the 80lb running on the ocean master 12 foot casting rod OMS12C rated 6-12 oz of weight.
Lol, can't say that I was
300yrds 50lb braid with a topshot of 30lb mono. 80lb shock leader and 135-210 coated cable. 10/0 circles.
Does anybody run 80lb braid main line direct to wire leader / 6-8oz weight, or is a mono shock leader necessary?
I wont let braid touch the water while soaking. fighting a fish is ok, but not while soaking. too many bad things happen. sand wears through it, it will slice other line with ease and if it fluffs on the cast, your doomed, its going to birdsnest. haha.
better off running 65lb if you are going to do straight braid. 50 and 65 will cut through kelp with ease. 80 wont unless you can put a lot of pressure on it. and the 80lb shock leader does help and protects the fish from your braid but you can do without it. having zero stretch is risky to say the least. that's how you snap rod tips and break reels.
: ElayE October 26, 2015, 07:23:39 p
Does anybody run 80lb braid main line direct to wire leader / 6-8oz weight, or is a mono shock leader necessary?
I've been doing that using Cabelas King Kat 80lb yellow braid with braid safe sleeves to clip the weights on. Other than due to backlashes I haven't broken on a cast yet.
I also use circle hooks so I am not yanking to set the hook so no fear of snapping stuff due to the low stretch.
Jim
: Chris October 26, 2015, 07:37:16 p
I wont let braid touch the water while soaking. fighting a fish is ok, but not while soaking. too many bad things happen. sand wears through it, it will slice other line with ease and if it fluffs on the cast, your doomed, its going to birdsnest. haha.
Slightly different scenario, but I'm from the midwest and grew up casting 65lb braid for muskies. I always felt braid was WAYYY more backlash resistant than mono. Seems to be two very separate schools of thought on braid vs mono out here.
: ElayE October 26, 2015, 07:51:22 p
: Chris October 26, 2015, 07:37:16 p
I wont let braid touch the water while soaking. fighting a fish is ok, but not while soaking. too many bad things happen. sand wears through it, it will slice other line with ease and if it fluffs on the cast, your doomed, its going to birdsnest. haha.
Slightly different scenario, but I'm from the midwest and grew up casting 65lb braid for muskies. I always felt braid was WAYYY more backlash resistant than mono. Seems to be two very separate schools of thought on braid vs mono out here.
I use straight braid on my Calcutta 250 and 400 and its fine. shorter, more controlled casts. I can control it on the long rod, but some of the casts are insanely powerful and mono is more forgiving IMO. especially when it comes to untangling a backlash.
One more question; everybody seems to use conventional reels out here, yet in Florida they seem more keen to use spinning reels (until they get into the REALLY BIG sharks). Is there a logical reason for the difference, or is it more of a cultural/tradition type thing?
in this day and age its just preference. west coast is notorious for using conventional reels. we grew up using them on boats and that's what we like. most spinners of the same price only 10 years ago would fail if we used them as hard. now days you can get a penn spinfisher 9500 and do the same thing as a sealine 50sha. maybe even more?
something to consider is how well a reel performs on the sand. I can get sand in my senators or sealines and wash it out on the beach no problem. if I get sand up in a spinner it has to come apart to be washed. the spool as to be taken off then rinsed and if sand got into the gear box you have to take it apart. when a conventional reel is properly greased you can sand it or dunk it and not worry about it too much. a quick wash in fresh water or even the surf will get you back in the game.
: ElayE October 26, 2015, 10:12:30 p
One more question; everybody seems to use conventional reels out here, yet in Florida they seem more keen to use spinning reels (until they get into the REALLY BIG sharks). Is there a logical reason for the difference, or is it more of a cultural/tradition type thing?
I think it is easier to hold back the spool rather than the line when tossing 8+ oz.
Jim
Lots of great advice and opinions on here! Most are saying 50-80lb braid backing and 30-40lb mono top shot with a rod that can handle 4-6 ounces of lead and probably the same in bait. Like Steve said, check out his post on rigs and Castmater's post on rods. A lot of it boils down to preference and budget. Don't skimp, you'll end up spending more anyways later on to get the "right stuff".
I have 2 dedicated surf rigs:
Ocean Master 12' (OMS12C) rated 20-50
Penn Fathom 40 with 80lb braid and 40lb mono top shot
Calstar 900H rated 30-60
Penn Fathom 40 with 80lb braid and 40lb mono top shot
Most everyone knows I live the whole "there's no such thing as overkill" end of the spectrum as I fish two custom built rods speced out for bats and sharks specifically...
Both are capable of 8+bait easily, and I fish straight 100lb braid and I personally make my own rigs that run 130lb steel crimped to 400lb swivels and 250lb mono shock / rub leader.
Most likely waaaaay overkill.....but just in case.....LOL :o
: Jaws November 07, 2015, 09:34:16 p
Most everyone knows I live the whole "there's no such thing as overkill" end of the spectrum as I fish two custom built rods speced out for bats and sharks specifically...
Both are capable of 8+bait easily, and I fish straight 100lb braid and I personally make my own rigs that run 130lb steel crimped to 400lb swivels and 250lb mono shock / rub leader.
Most likely waaaaay overkill.....but just in case.....LOL :o
I used 210lb coated cable..... :P
actually if you experience problems with kings and the surf messing up the 130 cable, the 210 doesn't have that problem. it wont pull tight into a knot either when the surf somehow loops it over itself.
I decided it was better to loose a bunch of soupies than listen to everyone tell me 80lb mono top shot / shock leader minimum.
Just sayin ....
Wised up and haven't missed one yet.
I've seen people lose more gear to braided line breakage when they backlash as there is no stretch. Just ask Binh...
: Pinoyfisher November 19, 2015, 10:11:13 p
I've seen people lose more gear to braided line breakage when they backlash as there is no stretch. Just ask Binh...
I started off with braid because that is what was on my first setup when I bought it. I too lost gear from the braid snapping during a cast. Switched to 40 lb mono and haven't had the tangles or lost gear since. Not that it was completely the fault of the braid, but I couldn't get it to work. I do use braid as backing though.
: xjchad November 19, 2015, 10:32:56 p
: Pinoyfisher November 19, 2015, 10:11:13 p
I've seen people lose more gear to braided line breakage when they backlash as there is no stretch. Just ask Binh...
I started off with braid because that is what was on my first setup when I bought it. I too lost gear from the braid snapping during a cast. Switched to 40 lb mono and haven't had the tangles or lost gear since. Not that it was completely the fault of the braid, but I couldn't get it to work. I do use braid as backing though.
Ditto on the braid for backing. I go with about 100yds of 40lb mono then the rest is 80lb braid. Braid has no stretch, so when you backlash, depending on severity of the back lash and the weight of your rig or jig, the braid will snap and their goes X amount of dollars into the drink. Mono will just stretch for the most part, but you won't lose anything. Don't get me wrong, mono breaks too, just no where as often as braid does on a back lash.
When i first started long rodding, Ramon recommended 300yds of braid, with a topshot of 100-150yds of mono. I have no complaints so far, it has been a great setup for me. My reel happens to fit 140 yds of mono topshot, which I have found to be perfect. I cast about 80 to 100yds and usually have to walk back to my rod holder about 20-40 yds away. So typically my braid doesnt touch the water unless I have a fish on. I also have Izorline Brutally Strong braid backing which I have been very happy with, I thought i would have to go through a couple brands to find something good, but I'm very happy with the Izorline for this application.
It will be interesting to see how the various techniques and rigs play out Saturday at the "Grinner Get Together".......